Ted Moyer traded a cushy corporate job to lead the BMW Motorcycle Owners of America, a non-profit organization for BMW motorcycle enthusiasts in the United States. The number of friendships he's facilitated is probably more than the miles he's ridden....
Ted Moyer traded a cushy corporate job to lead the BMW Motorcycle Owners of America, a non-profit organization for BMW motorcycle enthusiasts in the United States. The number of friendships he's facilitated is probably more than the miles he's ridden. Ted is joined by MOA member Michael, and together, they talk about camaraderie, safety, and pleasurable riding.
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Hey, welcome to episode number 77 of the arrive alive podcast. Happy that you're here listening to us. I'm Len Bilello, your humble and happy host.
And today's episode is a little bit of a continuation of the camaraderie episode. That was episode 76. Today we have two special guests. Number one, Mr. Ted Moyer.
He is the executive director of the BMW motorcycle owners of America. America. And we also have a BMW MOA member, Mr. Michael Torres, who among other things can change a clutch in his living room.
Michael has been to many of the BMW MOA events, and he is an avid rider, so I thought it'd be great to have him on the show as well. So we're gonna spend the first few minutes talking about comradery and the BMW MOA,
and we'll see you in the next video. they do and how they help people, not just BMW motorcycle riders, but everyone. And also we're going to talk about safety in events and rallies and overnight trips.
And then we're going to talk about each of these fine gentlemen's approach to safety. So Ted and Michael, great to have you here. Thanks for being on the show. Thanks for being,
thank you. I appreciate you having me on. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Tell the audience what you really do for a living. I am in the tech field. I work for an MSP out in New York City on Long Island.
And basically my head is deep inside a computer most of the time or server racks and tending to all things that's technologies. So when I punch up and work the last thing I want to do is their computer.
So it's two wheels in the road for me. I hear you. I hear you. And that's cool. And, you know, we'll definitely get into safety. And I actually pulled some recent, you know, safety stats or accident stats from the DMV and some other places.
We'll talk about that. But I want to talk a little bit about the BMW MOA and and Ted, you know, since you run it and Michael, since I don't know how many vacation days you got. But every time I talk to you,
you're like, planted to go. into another event. So Ted, you started your career like in the food industry and marketing and grocery stores and tell us a little bit about your early career, how you got into that with the food stuff and what made you pivot into the MOA?
- Very strange transition for sure. I've always, I have an adult daughter who's entered the workforce not too long ago and I told her, I said, I'll always leave room for change 'cause there was no way to...
I was supposed to be working for a motorcycle club when I left college. I started in packaged goods. I worked for Pillsbury for a number of years and then to Frito -Lay and PepsiCo and then ended up in the working for a supermarket chain based out of Alabama that had about 400 stores across the southeast and it was just kind of the normal progression of the sales organization.
organization of kind of moving up from working retail, selling green beans and biscuits and all that kind of stuff at Pillsbury and then eventually chips and on to the supermarket side.
I was fortunate enough that I got into a field called category management at the time, which was really based on data. It was a lot around data analytics and shopper behavior and that kind of thing.
And a lot of hours like Michael inside with my head stuffed in a computer, just looking at ones and zeros and figuring out trends and what people buy and all that kind of stuff.
And eventually jumped into the motorcycle business and worked at a dealership for a few years. And through that, ended up meeting a gentleman named Ray Zimmerman who was the executive director,
actually the first executive director of the BMW. MOA he started in around 2000 or 2001 I believe he was a retired military and this was a second career for him he was a customer and a good friend of ours and and he was home having his motorcycle service one weekend and we you know standing in the showroom get to shooting the breeze and next thing you know he tells me that they're looking for an advertising salesman
at the MOA. And it was a contract position. And so I asked him if, you know, if it was open applications, if I could apply. And he gave me a magazine and a rate card and said,
figure out what you would do it for, what you would sell it for. And that was, that was the end of it. From that point forward, I was, I was MOA through and through. And that was 2002.
I've been here. 20 gosh 22 years now and have been very very fortunate to It's a small organization, which I love. We don't have a lot of employees There's only seven rate of us that are that are here a lot of volunteer spirit A lot of grassroots effort and it just suits my style and personality really really well I was not the corporate person that Pillsbury or Frito lay was looking for and so And so the MOAs
really, it very quickly became home for me without a doubt. And hopefully they'll have me for a long, long time and I'll finish my career here. - Well, that's great. And you know, a lot of people when I talk about the MOA to other people,
they think that it's affiliated with BMW corporate. Is that the case? - Yes and no. It's a little bit of a complicated structure. We are in.
independently owned and operated so to speak We don't have any influence or financial ties to BMW or any contracts with BMW anything like that We do participate to get into the details the nitty -gritty We do participate in what's called the International Council of Clubs and so through Germany There's actually a division of BMW motor on in Germany that manages of all things classic classic and community.
And so if there's historic or antique parts or the museum or anything like that, that's all managed through that division in Germany, as well as clubs worldwide. And so we have a license to be able to use the name BMW to portray the roundail in a particular manner.
When that filters down to the United States, we're basically two completely separate organizations, BMW, motorized. Motorod here in the United States is doing their thing and we're doing our thing and there's not a tremendous amount of interaction back and forth other than we know each other and know the people and the players and all those sorts of things.
Michael, when you joined the MOA and you're a bit younger than us and you got your first magazine, did you look at this thing and say what is this thing that they're sending me because I've never seen a magazine before?
- No, it's more like an ingestion. It was trying to figure out if I fit in the club. You know, that's kind of what it was. I had been part of car clubs in the past and I was - - Oh yeah,
tell the folks at home what your daily driver is and how many tires it has that have actual usable tread on them. (laughing) So my daily driver is - 89 944 from Porsche and it's a fun car I'm being read car.
It was I had a so before that it was an 88 and it was red and That that was the bite that got me in there. I was a I'm an old car guy.
My parents got me into it, you know, and and I was into benzes and everything and I got the 6 cylinder the V8 from Mercedes in the 90s the 560. And I thought it was going to be a fast guy,
you know, driving fast and life hits you differently. You see a bad accident where you realize that things, you can't really take things back if you do make a mistake in life and speed.
It can be kind of hairy, man. That's a safety thing. So I found the love of a four cylinder engine from Porsche that it's a lot of fun. I have more fun being technical on a curve than I do going fast on a straight line,
you know? - Awesome. And so to people like, you know, as far as motor, you know, the funny thing is I had a woman from VICE.
Do you know what VICE is that that? - No. - VICE .com. It's like for people his age and it's about counterculture and he used to focus more a lot on drugs drugs and hallucinogenics almost like Rolling Stone used to years and years ago,
but the modern version of it and the company, I think it was once public and then their CEO was had some legal problems. Anyway, so this one from vice actually contacted me today on Facebook and she said we're doing an article actually we're doing a film about motorcycle.
motorcycle gangs. And she wanted to ask me like the Hell's Angels, because you know, I run the two wheeled Tuesday, you know, group, you know, and I said, Well,
we're not really a gang. We're just like normal people. And she asked if I knew any Hell's Angels people. I actually know one or two, but I wasn't those guys don't want press, man. I just,
you know, and I had this one woman on the show a few weeks, a few episodes. episodes ago. Her name is Elena, and she is from Russian. She rides a Harley soft tail or one of those things.
And I joke about her being a Russian agent. You know, that's how I joke with her. But anyway, so I gave her her name and, you know, I think they're going to kind of talk about Harleys and group because she runs a women's group.
Now, where am I going with this? Oh, so, you know, in America, Harley riders are known, you know, they're very camaraderie. camaraderie and all that stuff. But talk about like the camaraderie,
you know, with the MOA and how that might be similar or maybe even different from Harley or even maybe other, you know, models or brands, would you say? I think it's similar.
I think it's very similar across the different brands or hobbies that you might have, you know, whether it's cars, I was a Corvette person years ago. I've got an old Pontiac up on the wall that I still have an old,
old antique vehicle stuffed in a garage somewhere and was involved with club efforts with those guys. And I don't see a whole lot of difference. Certainly the, you know, the brands or the colors or the jackets or the patch is different,
but the idea is, is basically the same. We find our tribes, so to speak, we find our our kindred spirits, the people that we have commonality with and the way we go.
For years, we taught you so we don't have a requirement that you own a BMW. You don't have to be brand specific here at the MOA. And of course, a lot of clubs are that way too.
And so I talk to people all the time when I'm out recruiting or it shows, somebody might come up on a KLR650 or, you know, Triumph Tiger or something along those lines.
And I tell them, hey, if you like to get out and go ride and go places and you like the support network and you like to find people who like to ride motorcycles and talk about motorcycles and breathe motorcycles,
you're going to find a home here with us. You don't have to be on the BMW. I don't really think that anyone cares. At least in my experience, no one has ever said will you have something other than a BMW or you can't be part of us I mean I've owned multiple motorcycles over the years along with my BMW and it's usually it's oddly enough it's actually more interesting when people do own a different motorcycle because
then you have something even more to start asking questions and to talk about and have the relationship about where they've been on their motorcycle or how they like this or how do they like it and come and all those sorts of things So I don't think it changes much from from brand or from type of motorcycle or from group It's all about finding those like -minded people for sure Mike I'm gonna ask you a quick question
in a second, but before I forget because I'm getting old Ted do you remember the movie Corvette summer I do oh my god Mike I'm gonna send you a link to that.
You gotta watch it mark. Yeah about this guy who in shop class builds a right hand drive Corvette. And you know why he built it right hand drive?
So he could be closer to the girls at stop signs. And it gets stolen like two weeks after he finishes it.
And the whole movie is about him trying to get it back. But I think I remember this movie. Oh, really? This is the one I think Mark Hamill I think had a horrible car accident right around this time or because of that movie And uh,
they had to kind of like fix them up with makeup for part of this movie Oh, wow, you're smarter than you look uh, if that's possible You triggered you triggered a memory,
you know gaff that just popped and I was just like I remember this I remember that movie too Um, so Michael so how many MOA events have you been to?
And what was the furthest you've ridden to one? - I did Missouri, that was my furthest. That was more harrowing than anything else at one point with the heat.
Virginia was beautiful and I'm looking forward. I haven't planned out yet what to do with the one that's out west in Redmond. Redmond, is that the one? - Mm -hmm, Redmond, all right.
It is. So I initially thought I was going to just ride it out. I have the option to work remote and just, you know, do my shift remote, ride a little bit, stop all over and keep doing it.
But I'm not sure how the logistics is going to work out yet. But one thing I will tell you, I am part of Moa charted group, the city beamers, and they're based in New York.
A charter number. 276, I believe. And just like he was mentioning before, you don't have to have a BMW to have fun with us, you know, a whole bunch of us show up there,
and some people have a second or third bike, their primary bike is a different brand, you know, and we'll poke fun at each other sometimes, because someone will get the turn better in the triumph, and it didn't the BMW,
and then we're talking tires, and suddenly we're starting to talk about oil, and conversation gets lost, and we'll talk about it in the next video, and we'll talk about it in the next video, and we'll talk about it in the next video, and we'll talk about it in the next video, and we'll talk about it in the next video, and we'll talk about it in the next video, and we'll talk about it in the next video, and we'll
talk about it in the next video, but that's fun about the fun about letting everybody end in the playground you know you get to have different opinions and different views when you're all on the road together that's cool you know it's a shame cuz those city beamer guys they're just like the slowest riders ever if they were just a little bit faster and a little bit more technically precise I would ride a lot more I'm
totally kidding I know I would ride a lot more in that there's,
uh, there's two Steve groups. So you have your, your, your regular writers and you have your, you know, your lightning beams. So we'll, we'll, we'll fit you in there. I tend to be in the three quarters pack because I,
I, uh, I'm a little more careful. Hey, we'll be right back with more of the show. But first I want to tell you about our sponsor, the Heyman law firm. Now John Heyman is the founder and CEO and his his firm employs attorneys who also ride.
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So we look forward to that. And now, back to the rest of the show. We had a guy, Gil Jackson,
who rode with them. And he rode a Honda Goldwood. I'm sorry. He was riding a BMW. And then he was, unfortunately, in an accident. And it was a hot day. He was just tired.
And he let his guard down. down for a minute and he's fine now, but he was in the hospital for a few days and I don't know if he wasn't in a coma, but he was kind of groggy. But the first day that he was kind of back to normal,
but still in a hospital bed with a broken leg, his wife came in and he's like, "Hey, did you bring the iPad?" She's like, "Yeah, what's up?" And he's like, "He starts buying a new motorcycle right now." iPad,
and that's when he went to a gold wave. and he's about our age and really, really nice guy. Let's talk about, you know, the importance of training. And I want to talk about something that we've promoted here is,
and how do you pull back horse bachelors? How do I pronounce that? Bay Shores, Paul Bay Shores. Paul Bay Shores Foundation. Tell us a little bit about that and how it works and what's available to riders.
riders to take advantage of advancing their riding skills. Sure. So Paul Bashorz was an MOA member up in the northeast in your area in Vermont.
And he contributed to the BMW owner's newsroom magazine quite a bit, was an amateur shooter, a photographer, and loved to go to events and take photographs and really did a lot of work for us.
over the years. And he passed away. It has to be at least, I think 10 years ago now, probably, and some of the time actually I think you'd said, was it, yeah, I knew it was it was about about that time.
And we had some club members in Vermont who, who, you know, loved Paul knew him with friends with them and they established a little bit of fun and made a donation to the BMW MOA Foundation.
Foundation in his name and it was I think $1400 at the time and so it and it was really when the BMW MOA Foundation I mean they didn't collect but maybe $5 ,000 $6 ,000 a year so $1400 was a big deal all of a sudden and the person who did it who organized it is a woman named Muriel Farrington who's been on our board of directors she's actually a friend of the mark award winner for BMW long -time rider great great
woman, and just a tremendous friend of motorcyclists in general. And since she was on our board, she asked me what could we do with this, and we talked about starting some sort of training or safety scholarship.
And so we started the Paul B. Scholarship. And it was basically, if you wanted to take some sort of training class, you could get it up to $250. $250 as a scholarship for taking any kind of training that you wanted.
And so that $1 ,400 seeded that fund. The first few years we gave away four scholarships. I mean, it wasn't many at all. And then as the foundation started to get legs underneath it and do more fundraising activities,
we slowly increased that fund each year. This year we've allocated about $70 ,000 to that fund. So we will fund $70 ,000 with the training for each year.
And we've actually changed it now. Instead of a scholarship, it's now they call it the REAP Paul. We now call it the Paul B safety training grant rebate.
And it's now you don't have to apply in advance. It's not a scholarship. You can actually go take the training, submit your paperwork and get a rebate up to 25 % of the cost of your training back.
And so it's, you can kind of do the math at 70 ,000 and 250 bucks a piece, we're training. - That's worldwide. Any country can take it because I know we have a lot of members,
you know, not in North America. - It is. So it's, and it's member or non -member either one. You don't have to be an MOA member. We're a public charity. And so, you know,
upwards of 400 people a year are getting trained. out of that fund or developing skills in some way and we've had everything I think the biggest the number one training facility is probably the performance center where people use it at the BMW Performance Center and then up in the Northeast it's Ken Condon's school up in the Northeast he gets quite a bit of students from at Rawhide out in California gets quite a bit
Uh, California super bike school gets quite a few people. And so, I mean, it's a, it's a wide gamut. I mean, it can be an MSF class or it can be a super bike class. It doesn't matter. They'll, they'll pay for up to 25 % of your training.
So it's a fantastic fund and all thanks to some local club members who said, here's a thousand dollars. What could we do with it? Michael, have you taken advantage of that yet,
Michael? Funny you say that. So I, when I first started riding. writing, I started writing my own and then a couple of months later, I was like, you know, I really should take an MSF class. You know, there's some things I might not know.
And I took it. And this was before Mo and everything. And during the Virginia rally, I got bit. They got me. The performance center had a deal that was too good to pass up. It was a multi -day course and I bought it.
I haven't done it yet. A whole bunch of the guys in the city. beamers also fell into it and they did their course They loved it. They did the GS off -roading course Right now I'm split between doing the GS off -road course and the authority school both are different in their own special sauce,
but Very much something that you could take and learn a lot from and put onto the streets Whether or not you're in New York City or just trying to get find a little road off onto the side of Vermont,
you know? Wait, so you bought the multi -day down in Greer, South Carolina, but you haven't done it yet, you say? Yeah. So they allow you to hold onto it for a certain number of years, especially whenever you want to and everything.
They do give me the heads up that you don't want to do it in the summertime, you'll roast. You'll be walking sausage by the time you're done. Well, maybe we'll do it together because I had Trudy Hardy on the show.
show last September and you know how people like Ted you have a beautiful backdrop of nice prints or certificates or pictures I don't know if you've ever been on a zoom with Trudy but she has a backdrop of about 14 motorcycle helmets like real like on hooks you know in her office or home office and anyway when I had her on the show she's like Len you know you know we like what you do doing here,
blah, blah, blah." "Do you have any church and state stipulations of your show?" I'm like, "What do you mean by that?" She said, "Well, you know, if we gave you one of our courses, would you be able to accept it?" "You know,
you just get yourself down here. We'll just let you take the course for free." "But does that go against your journalistic guidelines?" I'm like, "No, no, that's okay. I'll take it." Let me check the legal on that.
They said it's fine. [laughter] I'm the fireman, the policeman, you know, the whole thing. So maybe we'll do that together, Mike. And I think that's a good segue. Let's start with you,
Mike. You know, you haven't been riding as long as us. Have you been? But you ride a lot, right? And you do a lot of highway, but you also live in Queens, right? And we know Queens is probably, you know,
the BQE. Ted, I don't know if you know what the BQE is. I don't know what the BQE is. Queens Expressway You have never seen a highway that has more debris and Like,
you know, I don't want to joke about Vietnam, but like the roads there like probably look like something after Some type of bad Thing on earth, right? So but so you're living in Queens not a great place to ride You have a place called Queens Boulevard,
which many people think that's it's a quarter mile test track for motorcycle or wheelies, right? And then you ride long distances. Have you been down or had any close calls since you've been riding my?
Yeah, well, I mean, I we've had our static drops, right? You know, I had my moment when I was just shy of my first 1000 miles, I was at a Staples parking lot.
And I'm eating a ticket bar, just taking a break, realizing that you really really can get exhausted from riding a motorcycle and whatnot. And I turned my head. I looked to the side and next day I knew I just needed right on over.
And that was my first experience time to lift the bike and get it up right again. But I also had a little bit of a closer call where gentlemen ran a light. Traffic had a warden that was telling people to keep on going on the green light.
So I accelerated and looking at everything. we're moving. And the guy just ran light and almost took out the traffic warden. And I hit just in time.
It was like an avoidance stoppage to the point where all I did was bump the tire, fell over. It's the luckiest act that I could have had on a motorcycle. They could have been significantly worse, you know?
And, but it really brought to sense, like everything work that needed to work. My armor protected me. with the jeans that I wear Regardless how hot it is protected me the engine guards and the motorcycle that just placed on there a month before protected the bike and the helmet did its job,
you know and and Thankfully, I was able to get up be upset about it. You know have my moment of like, ah, you know in New York City, what are you doing and Be able to get home and that's the most important thing versus had it been other people that just don't wear anything.
And it could have been very different. Riding a bicycle does not feel safe anymore for me with the way that I wear armor and safety equipment on a motorcycle. - What an interesting point that is, and every time I return from a motorcycle ride,
whether it's down to our two -wheel Tuesdays, which is literally, sound like my daughter, she uses the word literally, literally everything. other word. I always get on it. But you know,
we have a meetup that's tomorrow. That's 3 .4 miles away. And if when I come home from there, I'm so thankful that I get home alive and well.
Ted, you've been riding, you know, a long time. Any single crashes or have you been hit, you know, and we had West, West Fleming, one of the best guys in the industry in the world.
talented. You know, he told me about a couple of his crashes, but I'm curious, like, you know, what your experience has been going down if you've been down, Ted. And knock on wood.
I have not been down. You're kidding. Oh my god. Good for you. I'll knock double on wood. Yeah, double. And 33 years of riding. I've been fortunate enough. I certainly have had my share of close calls and done some stupid things,
but. so far have been very fortunate not to put one on the ground. Is there any stupid thing that, you know, that you have done that you would not do ever again?
Oh, I'm sure there is. I don't know that I'm going to mention it. I don't want to incriminate you. Let's move on. But it's funny, Mike, that you mentioned the bike because after 9 /11, there were cops on it.
every corner in Manhattan and I was at a stoplight and a bus hit me I was stopped and the bus didn't see me and I was you know one of the things that you should do at a stoplight is not just hang out and you know look at girls right you're supposed to hang out and you have your bike in gear just in case nobody sees you but the bike didn't see me he hit me and I had an R1100R at the time and it fell on
the left and the the pipe was on the right for that bike, I believe. Anyway, two cops put the bike, you pulled the bike off me and I was fine and they said to me,
"Oh, we saw that, you know, wasn't your fault. You want us to pull the bus driver over and give him a summons or something." And I said, "How's the bike?" And they said, "Oh, it looks okay." And I was like, "Nah,
I got to get to work. It's cool." And, you know, we often think, "How's the..." the bike? Mike, there is all right. So when you go down to Greer, South Carolina,
I forgot the name of the gentleman. He works. He sees a former sheriff there. Really nice guy. He was also on the show too. But he is going to picture that you're down there.
And since he's a former sheriff, you know, I don't want you to think of full metal jacket or pretend you guys are all standing in a line and he addresses you and he says, Mr. Torres. Torres from Queens, New York, you're going to have a lot of fun,
but you're going to increase your motorcycle skills a lot. What is the one aspect of your motorcycle riding skills do you think needs the most work that you'd like to see improved the most?
What would your answer to him be? Oh, that would be, that's actually a little two pieces. You said you had interviewed some that works the performance center that's a former sheriff,
right? That's the guy I'm talking about. Yeah. I forgot his name, but yeah. So funny enough, that might be the person who held the, uh, so, so in Virginia, they had many introductory courses that you could sign up for and do like a two hour,
three hour version of the off road course, the authority course and everything. And I think he might have been the one that was. with me for the authority course. Aaron Rankin, what's his name?
It might have been him. It might have been him. It looks like Mr. Clean, bald head, and it looks like he could beat the hell out of all three of us very easily. He saw my bike and he's like,
is that a full working bike? I was like, ah, and he just grabbed it intuitively, did all the controls. He's like, oh, he like, tried. is still in here. I was like, Yeah.
But I think what I want to learn the most is what handling I, I respond and respect the modern bikes with what they can do.
But there's a limitation or traction control and ABS that you really need to kind of respect and understand that there's a part of the human side. that you have to put in, put in. And whenever it does rain,
you know, heavily and whatnot, I have my pro rain suit that I throw on and I'm a radioactive banana on the bike, but I'm also mixed of that fear of riding a motorcycle.
And it's fine to have fear. I think people that don't have fear on a motorcycle in the rain are the most dangerous ones around because they're not understanding. that there's significantly less traction than you can fall on your bike.
But I just wanna have a little bit more understanding of what to do, you know, how to handle the curb, how to feel the bike differently, what the expectations are when you're maneuvering in the rain, especially in certain points where you can say to yourself,
you know what, I need to stop now. It doesn't make any type of input I put in is not gonna make a difference 'cause it's just too dangerous to be in the rain. So that's what I wanna learn. All right, that's good.
cool. We'll, we'll send the facts over to Aaron so he knows I can expect you. Ted, you know, we, well, I think Michael is, we have a woman that comes to our two wheel Tuesday.
She's a motorcycle. Well, she's an artist, but a lot of her art is in motorcycles, but she does other things to put, you know, food on the table, but she rides a Royal Enfield and she's originally from Taiwan,
been in the country for about 10 years. years or so. Very talented, very introverted, unassuming. And she rides a Royal Enfield Dual Sport 350.
I don't know if it's the Thumper or the Twin, but she'll ride that anywhere. And there was a she loves art. So there was a museum two winters ago showing of a thing that she really liked.
And there were two inches of snow on the ground and she lives not too far from you, but you might go right on. off of Queens Boulevard by the further out from the White Castle in the Taco Bell that shows you what's on my mind but anyway what she used to say is that she tries to stay off the roads Friday nights and Saturday nights because that's when you know a lot of the people that are drunk you know are out
there and that's you know so she wants to be off the road but Ted my question is you know do you think Yeah, we have to watch out for that. But I think, you know, when you and I were younger,
drinking and driving and bikes and cars were much more prevalent. I think people, you know, we have ubers, we have lifts, you know, people don't have to do that as much. But I'm wondering, do you think it's,
it's, it's, is it more dangerous in 2024 to ride a motorcycle than it was in 1994? 1994. Do you think I? Don't have any evidence to say that it is but I think it absolutely is I think distracted driving has gotten even worse and There's even more inputs that are competing for people's attention every single day and so to to watch out or to be aware of all of those people that are out there and whatever they have
going on in their world inside their their windows and you know sunroofs and that kind of thing is just I think it's it's got to be more dangerous than what it was 30 years ago no way around it.
I would agree and you know we have like you know people like Michael are blessed that you know and we have airbag jackets and pants and you know heads up display and ABS and ASC and all this stuff so I think that's helping a little bit bit.
I mean, Mike, you probably never rode a bike that didn't have ABS, right? A motorcycle? - So I intentionally chose the 1150R with factory no ABS.
- Oh, no way? Oh, you don't have that? - Yeah, yeah. So on the 1150R, there's no ABS. And that's only because my, at the time I had the 88, 944 with also no factory ABS.
So I got to learn on the older cars. cars what it's like to hear the bike or the car give to the tire. You can kind of hear its limits,
you know, like, all right, this we're pushing it, you know, and it really taught me not to do the panic brake because that's it. You give out and it goes. The 1200 was my first ABS bike,
the first one that it had the front and rear. rear brakes connected. So no matter what, there's a little bit of a breakdowns going on. So there's a lot less of thinking of my part of how to use the bikes brakes.
But for me, it was great to start with no ABS and then bring me into like the technology assisting me with riding my bike. I got to learn significantly more that way. It was a little harrying,
right? I did have one night where I'm getting across New York City has a couple of bridges that connects. between Beans and Brooklyn and the island of Manhattan. One of them is the 59th Street Bridge,
also knows the Edcox Bridge, and hit the rain that hit. I'm slowing down. The car cut me off, and he break checks because he didn't realize that as he got into my lane,
he's having to hit the brakes suddenly. I hit the brakes. The bike started to slide. The front wheel had locked up, and I had started to to lean towards one direction and started sliding down.
And I, and I just remember intuitively to let go. It was, it was one of those things where it's like, all right, I let go, it re -gripped and I just, you know, you need to decide and pass by the guy bitterly.
You know, a lot of bitterness was being shown through my drained out the helmet, you know, but that's ABS for you, man. There are times where you do need it. If that that was also a moment to realize that Had it done differently had it had a little bit less experience.
They would have found it been a good day, you know Ted now you live in florida probably I mean would florida probably have the worst Or the least exciting motorcycle roads of any state in the united Definitely That in arizona,
right arizona. It's like a piece of graph paper. Although until you get into the mountains, but there's If you know we have to watch out for deer up here. Do you have to watch out for alligators? Yeah,
just about. We believe it or not, I was coming home from Texas the other night and I did a straight through run to get back home on about 15 hours. And the last the last little segment is sort of this new road that goes through near Eglin Air Force Base through the woods,
basically. And I thought I look for I thought to myself, you know, I bet there's plenty of deer out tonight and sure enough I was telling somebody the story the other day I've moved around a car on a toll road It was went from one lane to two and as soon as it opened up to two I kind of throttled on around him and as soon as I hit the other lane there were two deer standing in the median And I I saw it I
moved one of them came out the other one stayed and right through the middle of the two of them and so You know know, you just never know what's what's coming. That's for sure. If I dodged any alligators,
I will say for the record, I've not dodged an alligator. And we have the former president of. Mola did a deer was a Reese Mullins.
Reese Mullins lives not. He actually lives about an hour north of me and he coming home is kind of the exact same thing coming. home off a night shift about 11 o 'clock and did a two -lane road and there he was took him down totaled his motorcycle he he was not hurt fortunately but it definitely did some damage and and ruin you know all his gear his motorcycle hold nine yards had he not been wearing all that gear
he certainly would have sustained some some pretty good injuries for him. Hey we'll be back with the final portion of the show but first I want to tell you about VOOM insurance. Now VOOM insurance is disrupting the way motorcyclists buy and use insurance because they have a unique pay per mile model.
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go to the show notes at arrive alive podcast You'll see a link and you can get a quote and the great thing is there's no social security number and there's no credit check Okay, back to the rest of the show You know and you mentioned the similarities with the BMW and the Harley riders one thing I think there's probably a difference is I would say the people in the BMW MOA Probably are among the fastest typers of
any motorcycle brand. I'll tell you why, because you can write a post on the MOA, either the forum on MOA website or on Facebook and within seven minutes,
you will have 30 replies from all over the globe and people put in there and they're so helpful. And I know Harley guys are very helpful to each other,
but I don't just don't think they have the same typing skills. Because it's really quite amazing What you know now Ted you ride with a lot of experienced riders, right,
but you know in Florida or just in your travels What would you say are? Three things that the average rider or just what are three mistakes that you see the average rider making?
That if they don't do it, they could be a lot safer on the road Oddly enough, I actually started, when I started riding,
I went down, took an MSF safety class was the very first thing, actually took it because I was going to get reimbursed for the class if I bought a new Honda motorcycle at the time. And about six months later went on to become,
they invited me back and asked if I would be interested in being an instructor. So I was an MSF instructor for a number of years. and then of course worked with our foundation for a while too and so this is sort of near and dear to me in a lot of ways.
Certainly I think and it doesn't I'm not sure that it's I guess what I want to say is it's pretty universal. It's the look where you want to go. I mean that is it all the time.
You get fixated on some object and it and that's the thing when you ask me what did you do that you don't want to do again. It's that fixation on certain objects. I went into a corner, I was actually too close to the guardrail,
I'm watching the guardrail and luckily I didn't take out the guardrail. And so that's kind of one of the number one things is look where you want to go and that will control a lot of your destiny.
I think breaking skills are the other one. We always see people over breaking or under breaking whatever the case may be and certainly ABS has improved that tremendously. And then I think the third thing really is the complacency and the awareness.
I know my son is 23 and he learned to ride just a few years ago. And one of the things that I talk to him about all the time is that situational awareness and knowing what's going on around him and where he is and who's around him and all that kind of thing.
And I would do stupid stuff to him like we'd be getting gas and I would say, "Hey, what was the color of that truck that just pulled up behind you?" and I have no idea you know he doesn't know and then like you have to know these things if you're gonna ride a motorcycle you need to know that that person over there was texting at the last red light and that's something that you have to watch out for and and it's
not just that one single input it's all these inputs all the way around you and it's bad I'm as just as bad about it to be complacent and not thinking about where the next risk is is coming coming from.
Fortunately, I thought about just one of those fleeting thoughts that popped into my head the other night of hey there could be deer out here otherwise I would have just been zipping along not paying any attention just thinking about getting home and and you know may not have gotten there so those would be my three certainly where you want you know your your line of sight looking your breaking skills always and then
just that that awareness or or complacency and not having that complacency would be huge on my list. You know, I appreciate what you said. You know, one of the reasons why I started this show, I was, I started the show almost uh, uh,
well five years, four years, this is the fifth season, so four years ago after being in an accident and I wanted, I'm the type of person, I used to take the MSF course every other year with a fellow named Gasper Trauma,
I don't know if you ever heard of him, but, you know, one of the reasons why I started this show is because, you know, I'm the type the top 2 % of human beings ever born on the planet. He was, he owned a motorcycle safety school and a driving school here.
Unfortunately, he passed away about 15 years ago. And I started just so I could talk to people like you so I could relearn all this stuff and not get into another accident. And you said something about,
look where you're going. Michael, at our two wheel Tuesdays, well, let me ask you this, let me put it this way. when you go to two -wheel Tuesdays versus when you go to city beamers versus when you go to an MOA event,
out of those three, what is the highest percentage of people that have their phones mounted to their motorcycles? Would it be two -wheel Tuesdays?
Would it be city beamers or would it be MOA? Oh, I'll be honest with you. when when I'm an MOA event everyone has already off the bikes and has you know bruised around everybody else's bike Kind of hard to make a judgment call there I will do between Two Will Tuesday and City Beamers Two Will Tuesdays tends to have More people with the phones connected to there It's just it's just like a piece -to -piece thing and I
was originally gonna be one of those guys where I wind my phone to be dead within my line of sight and whatnot and Riding the way I did in the beginning. I look at it now I think I would still have my phone on the bike and I would probably mount you on the handlebar But it would be further out of sight.
I would use it more as a supplemental driving aid when I'm stopped and pulled over and relying more you know on my Cardo unit and And,
you know, using this little guy, this would be my primary aid, because I need my eyes to be on the road, you know. And I didn't pay him to say that, folks. And, you know, I've had a number of instructors and Alyssa Clickinger and even Alonzo Bowden.
And, you know, and most people say that it is the wrong thing to do and could also damage your phone, although we know that BMWs don't really vibrate. like the other ones do.
But yeah, I just think it's, it's especially in the city and you know, we have headphones and we have GPS units and yeah, Ted and we'll start with you,
Ted, you know, there's the blessing is we, you know, we have these airbag and you know, Honda has an airbag motorcycle. And now we have vests and jackets and pants and probably other things.
Where do you think, you know, where do you see them in in in helping riders stay safe? Have you used any of them? Have you know people that have been in accidents with the airbag gear?
I have not. I have not used it myself the airbag Reese Mullins has it. He's the one that was hit by the deer or that ran into the deer former president. He's a huge believer in it.
it. I love the technology. I just haven't made the taking the plunge myself yet to go purchase one. I remember when the Lee At Brace came out, which was more on the motocross side,
and I was working doing some contract work with Scorpion Sports at the time. And one of the salespeople there went on to work at Lee At with the Brace and what a huge difference that made in injuries and things like that,
and of course now that's become something that's that's more standard even in on -road riders. Now, I think things like that, the airbag, I think all of those are just fantastic improvements because obviously we're we are just so much more vulnerable in a crash than a car driver is.
And so I think anytime you can get an advantage, it's well worth it. Shame on me for not having an airbag. at this point It's it's a really cool technology and you know,
hopefully that that sort of development will continue We're actually starting to see a couple of companies that are coming to the National Rally this year who are starting to manufacture Adaptive site devices kind of like adaptive cruise control Okay,
and so they're signaling devices and things like that that will alert you to maybe someone moving over into your lane or or a deceleration in front of you or things like that. And so hopefully that technology continues and and it gives us a little bit more protection because it's it's they're just riders are just so vulnerable.
I hear you and I think the airbag stuff and Mike I'm going to ask you about that because I have a little bit more cushioning on my body than you do. But they're not cheap number one and And I think some of the people that might need it the most,
you know, probably can afford it the least. But they are coming down. I mean, it wasn't uncommon to see airbag jackets and Vesco for almost a thousand dollars. And now I think you get some of them for 300 bucks.
And I know there's a subscription plan that one of the companies has. Mike, are you is that in your future? Do you have any airbag gear right now? Uh I don't have any airbag.
gear, but I was fairly, if it wasn't for me going for the course at the Born Center during the Raleigh, it would have been purchasing the airbag best. That was that close.
- Okay. - So that was my thing. And I think I might do it this year. I have about one, about a third of the guys that I ride with on Sundays have either a jacket or a vest that they,
you know, ride on. And they used the traditional one, not the subscription base. So it's a physical tether that releases upon unfortunate separation between you and the bike that will activate the best feature.
You know, in the early days of the airbag vest, there was, you know, the technology was still kind of new and I think the tethering wasn't done exactly right and there was this one video on YouTube of this guy that,
you know, had the jacket and he got off his bike to go mail a letter letter and he forgot, you know, and it exploded on him. But the benefit of that,
the benefit of that though, you know, with those styles of vests, it's like, all right, they poofed you, you're walking around, you're waddling for like, you know, the 10, 15 seconds of the vest is compressed. But you release your gas chamber,
you know, you pop another one on, you lock it in place, it's armed and you're ready to go. and I am,
yep opinion of the almost uselessness of padding and body armor and how he said that the standards are old and they don't even kind of prevent most breaks or fractures and he was kind of extolling the benefits of,
you know, hey, we should be moving to airbag type material and smarter material. quicker than the not as quick. Ted, do you have any,
you know, philosophy there of armor versus, you know, like, I thought a lot of people gave him a lot of flak, but then some people said, you know what, he might be right. Any thoughts there? He very well could be right.
I tend to be to each his own kind of person what you want to ride with. I mean, it's your name on the title and the insurance and everything else. And it's your choice of what you're going to do. And I'm like, I'm kind of a fan of that.
But I think it's, uh, I would equate it to, I heard somebody once in the argument about oil, say, you know, clean oil is better than dirty oil and some oil is better than no oil.
And from there you can argue whatever you want. And I feel a little bit of that way about protective gear. I'm like, you know, if I could just get you to wear all the gear and the helmet. regardless of your personal feelings or opinions or anything like that,
I think you would be better off. And so wherever you can get on that continuum to sort of moving down the line of wearing more protective gear is great. I think, you know,
some padding is better than no padding. Certainly CE protective armor is better than just, you know, rolling up t -shirts and stuffing them in your sleeves, and airbags certainly would be the ultimate. I think you made a great point though.
I think we have to realize that a lot of people get into this sport and this lifestyle and money is a hurdle, right? And so not everyone can run out and plop down three,
four, five hundred dollars on an airbag. I know when I started, I mean, I had a pair of high top tennis shoes and a leather jacket that I paid 99 bucks for and that was as good as it got. It was all I had,
and I was just as happy as I could be. And now, 30 some odd years later, it's a different story, but it takes a little while. And so I think what we really need to be doing is telling everybody,
hey, protective gear period, you need to keep moving down that path, lifelong learning type things, you need to keep moving down that path, increasing your skills, we need to keep moving down that path. That's probably,
to me, is a bigger argument. than is CE armor worth the value or not, that kind of thing. You know, Mike, Ted mentioned about his son that's riding.
I have a daughter who's 19 that she loves being on the back, and I think one day she might have maybe a vestibule or maybe a bike, and that scares the F out of me.
I know, Mike, you don't have any kids, but have you thought? of, you know, you love this sport this past time so much that if you did have kids like would you want them to be motorcycle riders when let's talk about,
you know, if you had a kid tomorrow, we're talking like 15, 18 years from now. Has that ever crossed your mind? It has. It has. And I think I would tell them something similar that I came to terms with when I wanted to get motorcycle riding,
right? I always wanted to have a motorcycle. When I saw photographs of my dad on his bike, right, he had very old BMWs and I think he had a BSA of an unknown year.
And I was like, I want to be that guy. That's what I want to do. And my dad was like, no, no, you don't. Not now. Don't do that. And what do you mean? And he's like, "You just kind of stand.
You think you're going fast and doing great, as you get to stop." It's like, when you fall, it's like, there's a pain about it. And he's like, "You're losing your bike. You're also losing a part of yourself on that road." And he's like,
"Wait." I was like, "All right, fine. COVID happened." And I came to terms, like, "You know what? Maybe it's time to be trying bikes out. I'm a more responsible person now." And look back now, if the 19 19 year old version of me had been getting on that bike,
I don't know if I would have continued motorcycling because something unlikely, but very likely, irresponsible of me would have occurred. I think the 30 year old version of me understood bikes enough to know when to go easy,
when to take it easy and to be more of a listener than a doer when it came to learning how to ride bikes. - You're making it easy. Yeah, I would tell him like they're like hey, you're probably gonna want to wait a little bit Just you know give a couple more years to 30 would be good.
You know you make a great point We had a Lonzo Bowman of you know very famous Motorcyclist and TV actor film actor and stand -up comedian. He's got four Amazon I think it's five now Amazon specials and he was on the show and I asked him what advice would you give to people and he said well You can make it out of your 20s you should be okay." Yeah.
And it's, you know, it's true. And they all, there's a very famous interview from probably the 80s or 90s with the, the lead family member from the Trapeze group,
the Flying Willendas. I don't know if you've heard of them, but they're like one of the most famous Trapeze families. And they interviewed the father. And he said, and the kids were starting to get into it.
it and he said you know what I'm so I don't know if you use the word disappointed but he was melancholy that his kids were getting into this business and they said why you love it so much he's like I do but it's so dangerous you know and I'm not sure I would take the same route as you although it'd be nice to see if my daughter could ride a motorcycle and text on Instagram at the same time,
because I know she would probably try to do that. And I know we're coming up on the hour. You guys got another five or six minutes. Uh, you guys good? Okay. I just want to be,
uh, respectful of your time. Um, Ted, I didn't ask you the question before. So it is there an aspect of your motorcycle riding that you think could be improved?
And if so, what would that be? For me, it's definitely that comfort or complacency. I tend to get him.
I think I've done this and a hundred times and it's no big deal to throw a leg over the saddle and go. And of course, that's just a huge mistake on my part. It's always something that I don't want to take the fun out of it by being so hyper vigilant that I can't enjoy the ride.
But at the same time, I don't I don't ever want to get complacent where I'm not paying attention or not thinking about what I'm doing So to me that situational awareness is is a huge huge factor I'm always working on that to just hey,
where am I am I paying attention? Can I understand all the inputs and just you know remain calm and still enjoy it? But know the dangers that's that's going on around me that that mental game to me is is huge huge uh last fall oh good sorry my god you know when something like that uh he said it just reminded me probably that's catching up on me i didn't i didn't realize it but uh it started to happen more often
you know exhaustion exhaustion from being on a motorcycle has been something that's been sneaking up on me and uh i've had instances where i started to uh i mean almost goes off off on motorcycle if you could imagine that happening.
That's a big thing that if people say Hodgkin and driving all these things are like, you know, killers, but not taking your rest breaks, man. That'll do it too.
I agree. And you know, a big factor, Elisa Clickinger, who's been on the show, at least twice and she's written, you know, she makes you look like like nothing. I mean,
she, she's ridden all like around the world two or three times, um, and nothing against you, Michael, because I admire you as far as you know, but, uh, but,
uh, Mike, do you know who Pat Riley is? Oh, yeah. Nick. Uh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're really 47 and not 34. You just look 34 or 32.
But anyway, so I read Pat Riley. book a number of years ago, and he always used to end practices on a make, no matter what Patrick Ewing, whoever he was coaching.
So let's end this on a make. And so I want to talk about our happiest moments, let's say, you know, Ted, for you in the last 10 years,
for me, I'll do the last 10 years. And, and I'll just say for mine in the last even you was I was a big fan of The dead poet society movie with Robin Williams and and the Blair Witch project and I've never been a horror movie fan but That movie was is is is considered one of the top five horror movies of all time And there's not a speck of blood in the whole movie because it's up in the mind If you don't
know about the Blair Witch it's set in Burkittsville, Maryland population of about 160. So I had a week off of work last year, and I went and I visited Burkittsville, Maryland, uh,
during the daytime, uh, actually was right on Halloween. But I remember being on a back road, like a, like almost like a fire road in Burkittsville. And, um,
and it was cold and it was kind of overcast, but I was like, man, this is great. And, and then the roads around there are really nice. nice and it was autumn so the leaves were just so it was almost like they were electrified you know the colors and then I spent a night or two in Burkittsville and then I rode across Virginia and went to visit the St Andrews School which is where they filmed the Dead Poets Society
also in one of my favorite movies and uh hard to believe but they wouldn't let a 55 year old man on a motorcycle in the St. Andrews School on a weekday at 11 a .m..
Can you But the guy that the security guard his name was Donald Who's he didn't ride but his you had a bunch of friends that wrote they got beautiful roads down there You know we chatted a bit about the school and the history and you know,
he said hey, I'll come out to the front I'll even take some pictures. I mean really really nice guy. So that was one of my you know happy times in the last few years.
Michael, give me one of your most memorable in terms of happy times on either the new bike or the old bike that you can remember right now. - Ooh, I wanna say it is going up to Vermont through Route 100.
That was an incredible ride. I think it was a really great ride. one of those moments where I realized that I could find myself in a couple more years,
maybe a little less hair, maybe a little grayer hair and be up there for a little bit, you know? It's just the views were incredible, the people, the roads. There was a brief moment where we were stopped and there was like these little babbling brooks and whatnot.
And I was just like, "Damn, this is incredible." where you would find a APNW magazine photographer taking photos," you know? There's the bike park,
and there's this image of like the entire scenic view of Vermont, like just right there. You know, that's a memory for me that I will cherish for a very long time.
That's one of the reasons why we do this. And Ted, tell us your most memorable moment. from a happiness perspective in the last 10 years let's say I Think it's got to be It's going back a little bit 2016 bill weekend our owner's news editor and I went out to Utah ahead of the 2017 national rally that was in Salt Lake City and we were doing some content pieces out there and we went the weekend after Labor Day and
It was you would have thought this day of Utah shut down because it's a summer destination, right, until the winter time of the ski slopes. And we had all of those roads literally to ourselves.
We would go down these roads and we would turn around and come back the other way and then go back down them again. And they were just so much fun. And of course in the west, being from the east for me in the south especially,
but when you go to the west, everything is just so much wider. and broad and open and and the roads are longer that seems like and the curves are stronger and all this kind of stuff and and we just rode for four or five days straight and we were believe it or not we were working but it was like playing all at the same time because the whole place was just ours and we we even we were in I can remember being at
lunch somewhere and we had to ask the person we were like where where is everybody what's happened and they were like it's the weekend after Labor Day everybody went home they're all gone this is yours for the next however many days it's yours and I thought this Utah is fantastic.
You know I can't think of a better way to spend a Monday night if I'm not riding then talking with you guys and so I really appreciate you guys being on we are just to as just to summarize and we'll have links in the next video.
notes You don't have to be a BMW rider to be in the MOA. They are having and this will have links in there The first year I believe is free the digital version,
right? Good to be a member. Okay, and we'll have links to the MOA We'll have links to Michael's Instagram where you could say you have any pictures of your pooch on Instagram.
Oh, not yet Not yet. He's getting full. He's gonna have his own Instagram. He's gonna gonna be a star on his own. Anyway, and we'll put links there and so people can contact you and learn more about the MOA.
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